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9 - The promised Return of Christ to The Earth -
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1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
2012-04-04 10:55:24 UTC
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ARE you a believer in the Bible? If so, you are bound to believe that
Christ, who visibly left the earth 1,900 years ago, will come back again,
and appear personally among men, to accomplish the great work that God has
given him to do.

1. Because the Bible records that angels declared to the Apostles that he
would come in the way he went away.

"While they (the apostles) looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up,
behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of
Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken
up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go
into heaven" (Acts 1:10, 11).

If Christ is to come "in like manner as the apostles saw him go", he will
come personally, visibly, and literally, for it was in a literal, personal,
visible manner that the disciples saw him ascend.

2. Because it testifies that Jesus himself repeatedly stated when upon earth
that though he would have to depart, he would come again.

"For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his
angels; and then shall he reward every man according to his works" (Matt.
16:27).

In a parable in which Jesus pictured himself as "a certain nobleman", Jesus
said:

"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a
kingdom, and to return ... And it came to pass, that when he was returned,
having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called
unto him . . . " (Luke 19:12-15).

The actual nature of Christ's going away shows us the actual nature of his
coming back. It cannot mean the spread of his doctrine, for he asks, "When
the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith in the earth?" And it cannot mean
the coming of death to his people, for Paul speaks of those who are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord (1 Thess. 4:15), and says of such
that they will not sleep (1 Cor. 15:5 1).

3. Because it reports to us that the Apostles in their speeches proclaimed
the fact of his return.

Peter said: "He (God) shall send Jesus Christ, who before was preached
unto you: whom the heavens must receive until the times of restitution of
all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets"
(Acts 3 :20).

Paul wrote: "The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven, with his mighty
angels ... when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be
admired in all them that believe ... Remember ye not that when I was yet
with you, I told you these things?" (2 Thess. 1:7, 10; 2:5).

If the Apostles preached the coming of Christ, ought not that coming to be
part of the preaching of the present day? This age owes any truth it may
have about Christ to the teaching of the Apostles in the first century.

4. Because in their letters, the Apostles refer to it as an event to be
expected and practically calculated upon.

"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of ... our
Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). "To them that look for him shall he
appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb. 9:28). "A crown of
righteousness ... to all them that love his appearing" (2 Tim. 4:8).
"He shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom" (2
Tim. 4:1). "Hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at
the revelation of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:13).

5. Because the prophets foretell his coming in power and great glory.

"All the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have
spoken, have likewise foretold of these days" (Acts 3:24). ("These days"
refer to the "times of restitution" when God shall "send Jesus", as well as
to the days when he came among men as the Prophet like Moses -- compare v.
20).
"I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of man came
with the clouds of heaven" (Dan. 7:13).
"The Lord will come with fire and
with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his
rebuke with flames of fire" (Isa. 66:15).

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Do not explain away these statements.

Some say they have a figurative meaning. Such an idea is forbidden by the
literal nature of Christ's first appearing, which was also the subject of
prophecy before it happened.

Turn up all the prophecies that foretell
Christ's first appearing; study the facts of his first appearing in the
light of these predictions, and you will see it is impossible consistently
to give any other than a literal interpretation to the prophecies of his
second appearing.

And consider how very important it is that you should have
Scriptural views on the subject, in view of the fact testified above, that
the individual benefits of his coming are for "them that look for him", and
for "them that love his appearing".
http://www.antipas.org/books/fingerposts/fp_01.html

More info at jnhickling[remove]@ntlworld.com.
curtjester1
2012-04-06 17:52:19 UTC
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On Apr 4, 4:55 am, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
ARE you a believer in the Bible? If so, you are bound to believe that
Christ, who visibly left the earth 1,900 years ago, will come back again,
and appear personally among men, to accomplish the great work that God has
given him to do.
1. Because the Bible records that angels declared to the Apostles that he
would come in the way he went away.
"While they (the apostles) looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up,
behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of
Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken
up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go
into heaven" (Acts 1:10, 11).
They didn't see him, did they? Also the cloud caught him from their
sight.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
If Christ is to come "in like manner as the apostles saw him go", he will
come personally, visibly, and literally, for it was in a literal, personal,
visible manner that the disciples saw him ascend.
2. Because it testifies that Jesus himself repeatedly stated when upon earth
that though he would have to depart, he would come again.
But he said that the kingdom will not come with striking
observableness...in Luke 17:20
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his
angels; and then shall he reward every man according to his works" (Matt.
16:27).
Yes, after the Great Tribulation.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
In a parable in which Jesus pictured himself as "a certain nobleman", Jesus
"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a
kingdom, and to return ... And it came to pass, that when he was returned,
having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called
unto him . . . " (Luke 19:12-15).
The actual nature of Christ's going away shows us the actual nature of his
coming back. It cannot mean the spread of his doctrine, for he asks, "When
the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith in the earth?" And it cannot mean
the coming of death to his people, for Paul speaks of those who are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord (1 Thess. 4:15), and says of such
that they will not sleep (1 Cor. 15:5 1).
It says he would be made alive in the spirit, and those resurrected to
heaven would be the same.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
3. Because it reports to us that the Apostles in their speeches proclaimed
the fact of his return.
Peter said: "He (God) shall send Jesus Christ, who before was preached
unto you: whom the heavens must receive until the times of restitution of
all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets"
(Acts 3 :20).
Paul wrote: "The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven, with his mighty
angels ... when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be
admired in all them that believe ... Remember ye not that when I was yet
with you, I told you these things?" (2 Thess. 1:7, 10; 2:5).
It says he will come with an Archangel's voice, which means he is an
angel. I Thess. 4:16
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
If the Apostles preached the coming of Christ, ought not that coming to be
part of the preaching of the present day? This age owes any truth it may
have about Christ to the teaching of the Apostles in the first century.
Yes, and Jesus described the kingdom that they would be ruling over
before he ascended to heaven in Acts. chapter 1. He spent quite a bit
of time describing (apparently) what would be on earth...as it took
him many days to do it...and the result was they asked him if he was
going to restore it to Jerusalem. It meant they will rule with him,
and they would have to have an earth to rule over...Rev. 1:6
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
4. Because in their letters, the Apostles refer to it as an event to be
expected and practically calculated upon.
Yes, just as the Seventy Weeks Of Years of 490 years from Daniels time
could be calculated for Jesus' arrival, ministry, death, and bring in
Cornelius and the Gentiles...can we calculate the desolation of
Jerusalem to Jesus' appointed times of the nations in Luke 21:24 to be
2,520 years that would give us the time for arrival in kingly power
Rev. 12:10 that would be a sign as Satan would lead the nations for a
generation culminating in the Great Tribulation, while Jesus would be
recognized as the Ruler in heaven ready to take over the duties along
with his co-rulers. That event of his being made king was in 1914.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of ... our
Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). "To them that look for him shall he
appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb. 9:28). "A crown of
righteousness ... to all them that love his appearing" (2 Tim. 4:8).
"He shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom" (2
Tim. 4:1). "Hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at
the revelation of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:13).
5. Because the prophets foretell his coming in power and great glory.
"All the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have
spoken, have likewise foretold of these days" (Acts 3:24). ("These days"
refer to the "times of restitution" when God shall "send Jesus", as well as
to the days when he came among men as the Prophet like Moses -- compare v.
20).
"I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of man came
with the clouds of heaven" (Dan. 7:13).
"The Lord will come with fire and
with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his
rebuke with flames of fire" (Isa. 66:15).
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Do not explain away these statements.
Why not? I already attempted to.

wg
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Some say they have a figurative meaning. Such an idea is forbidden by the
literal nature of Christ's first appearing, which was also the subject of
prophecy before it happened.
Turn up all the prophecies that foretell
Christ's first appearing; study the facts of his first appearing in the
light of these predictions, and you will see it is impossible consistently
to give any other than a literal interpretation to the prophecies of his
second appearing.
And consider how very important it is that you should have
Scriptural views on the subject, in view of the fact testified above, that
the individual benefits of his coming are for "them that look for him", and
for "them that love his appearing".http://www.antipas.org/books/fingerposts/fp_01.html
Ralph
2012-04-06 21:41:44 UTC
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On Apr 4, 4:55 am, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
ARE you a believer in the Bible? If so, you are bound to believe that
Christ, who visibly left the earth 1,900 years ago, will come back again,
and appear personally among men, to accomplish the great work that God has
given him to do.
1. Because the Bible records that angels declared to the Apostles that he
would come in the way he went away.
"While they (the apostles) looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up,
behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of
Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken
up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go
into heaven" (Acts 1:10, 11).
They didn't see him, did they? Also the cloud caught him from their
sight.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
If Christ is to come "in like manner as the apostles saw him go", he will
come personally, visibly, and literally, for it was in a literal, personal,
visible manner that the disciples saw him ascend.
2. Because it testifies that Jesus himself repeatedly stated when upon earth
that though he would have to depart, he would come again.
But he said that the kingdom will not come with striking
observableness...in Luke 17:20
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his
angels; and then shall he reward every man according to his works" (Matt.
16:27).
Yes, after the Great Tribulation.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
In a parable in which Jesus pictured himself as "a certain nobleman", Jesus
"A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a
kingdom, and to return ... And it came to pass, that when he was returned,
having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called
unto him . . . " (Luke 19:12-15).
The actual nature of Christ's going away shows us the actual nature of his
coming back. It cannot mean the spread of his doctrine, for he asks, "When
the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith in the earth?" And it cannot mean
the coming of death to his people, for Paul speaks of those who are alive
and remain unto the coming of the Lord (1 Thess. 4:15), and says of such
that they will not sleep (1 Cor. 15:5 1).
It says he would be made alive in the spirit, and those resurrected to
heaven would be the same.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
3. Because it reports to us that the Apostles in their speeches proclaimed
the fact of his return.
Peter said: "He (God) shall send Jesus Christ, who before was preached
unto you: whom the heavens must receive until the times of restitution of
all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets"
(Acts 3 :20).
Paul wrote: "The Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven, with his mighty
angels ... when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be
admired in all them that believe ... Remember ye not that when I was yet
with you, I told you these things?" (2 Thess. 1:7, 10; 2:5).
It says he will come with an Archangel's voice, which means he is an
angel. I Thess. 4:16
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
If the Apostles preached the coming of Christ, ought not that coming to be
part of the preaching of the present day? This age owes any truth it may
have about Christ to the teaching of the Apostles in the first century.
Yes, and Jesus described the kingdom that they would be ruling over
before he ascended to heaven in Acts. chapter 1. He spent quite a bit
of time describing (apparently) what would be on earth...as it took
him many days to do it...and the result was they asked him if he was
going to restore it to Jerusalem. It meant they will rule with him,
and they would have to have an earth to rule over...Rev. 1:6
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
4. Because in their letters, the Apostles refer to it as an event to be
expected and practically calculated upon.
Yes, just as the Seventy Weeks Of Years of 490 years from Daniels time
could be calculated for Jesus' arrival, ministry, death, and bring in
Cornelius and the Gentiles...can we calculate the desolation of
Jerusalem to Jesus' appointed times of the nations in Luke 21:24 to be
2,520 years that would give us the time for arrival in kingly power
Rev. 12:10 that would be a sign as Satan would lead the nations for a
generation culminating in the Great Tribulation, while Jesus would be
recognized as the Ruler in heaven ready to take over the duties along
with his co-rulers. That event of his being made king was in 1914.
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of ... our
Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). "To them that look for him shall he
appear the second time without sin unto salvation" (Heb. 9:28). "A crown of
righteousness ... to all them that love his appearing" (2 Tim. 4:8).
"He shall judge the living and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom" (2
Tim. 4:1). "Hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at
the revelation of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:13).
5. Because the prophets foretell his coming in power and great glory.
"All the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have
spoken, have likewise foretold of these days" (Acts 3:24). ("These days"
refer to the "times of restitution" when God shall "send Jesus", as well as
to the days when he came among men as the Prophet like Moses -- compare v.
20).
"I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of man came
with the clouds of heaven" (Dan. 7:13).
"The Lord will come with fire and
with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his
rebuke with flames of fire" (Isa. 66:15).
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
Do not explain away these statements.
Why not? I already attempted to.
wg
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Some say they have a figurative meaning. Such an idea is forbidden by the
literal nature of Christ's first appearing, which was also the subject of
prophecy before it happened.
Turn up all the prophecies that foretell
Christ's first appearing; study the facts of his first appearing in the
light of these predictions, and you will see it is impossible consistently
to give any other than a literal interpretation to the prophecies of his
second appearing.
And consider how very important it is that you should have
Scriptural views on the subject, in view of the fact testified above, that
the individual benefits of his coming are for "them that look for him", and
for "them that love his appearing".http://www.antipas.org/books/fingerposts/fp_01.html
Jesus said he would return soon. He didn't because he is dead!
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
2012-04-08 20:30:53 UTC
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Post by Ralph
On Apr 4, 4:55 am, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist"
ARE you a believer in the Bible? If so, you are bound to believe that
Christ, who visibly left the earth almost 2,000 years ago, will come back
again,
and appear personally among men, to accomplish the great work that God has
given him to do.
Jesus said he would return soon. He didn't because he is dead!
Because he is waiting for all of the Elect to complete their earthly
probation.
Remember a 1,000 years in our time-scale is only like a mere day in Divine
time.

"8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as
a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but
is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that
all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a
thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works
that are therein shall be burned up."
2 Peter 3:8-10 (ASV)


Jeff...
John
2012-04-11 23:23:28 UTC
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:30:53 +0100, "1st Century Apostolic
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
ARE you a believer in the Bible? If so, you are bound to believe that
Christ, who visibly left the earth almost 2,000 years ago, will come back
again,
and appear personally among men, to accomplish the great work that God has
given him to do.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but
is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that
all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a
thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works
that are therein shall be burned up."
2 Peter 3:8-10 (ASV)
Which makes it kinda difficult for Jesus to return to Earth and reign
for a 1000 years.
--
John
1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
2012-04-15 20:21:50 UTC
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Post by John
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 21:30:53 +0100, "1st Century Apostolic
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
Post by 1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist
ARE you a believer in the Bible? If so, you are bound to believe that
Christ, who visibly left the earth almost 2,000 years ago, will come back
again, and appear personally among men, to accomplish the great work
that God
has given him to do.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some count slackness; but
is longsuffering to you-ward, not wishing that any should perish, but that
all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a
thief; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works
that are therein shall be burned up."
2 Peter 3:8-10 (ASV)
Which makes it kinda difficult for Jesus to return to Earth and reign
for a 1000 years.
Na!
The earth will be cleansed as of by fire of the millions of wicked sinners
that now roam the earth.
"So be that it is righteous thing with God to recompense affliction to them
that afflict you, 7 and to you that are afflicted rest with us, at the
revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with the angels of his power in
[1]flaming fire, 8 rendering vengeance to them that know not God, and to
them that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus: 9 who shall suffer
punishment, even eternal destruction from the face of the Lord and from the
glory of his might, 10 when he shall come to be glorified in his saints" 2
Thess 1:6-10 (ASV)


[1]Possibly from a passing comet or asteroid that will set fire to the
heavens and cause utter devastation upon mankind, including enormous
earthquakes and extreme tsunamis, along with the Yellow-Park volcano
erupting which will pollute the atmosphere of the earth with a cloud of
volcanic ash.

Jeff...
Sylvia
2012-06-10 21:28:49 UTC
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Tchao

you should look at this link http://www.incs.fr in the particular case of the
lord;
why do you troubleshoot the lord shield?

Peace be with you

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