the law

vince garcia

2012-12-29 16:33:12 UTC

It's called the moral law of conscience

Hmm, I do not see that above in Romans 2:13.

then you don't understand romans 2 any more
than sam does

LMAO!
I already told you, I don't care what Sam says or believes.
I am addressing you. I am not addressing Sam, I am
addressing you and your statements. Yet you continue
to drag Sam into this.
Rom 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who
are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey
the law who will be declared righteous.
Doesn't seem very hard to understand.

Except that you don't understand it.

Now does paul who wrote that say any man can keep the law?

No.

So then no on can keep the law and be declared righteous, can he?

But you can do what the law ultimately teaches and be declared
righteous, which is come to Christ thru faith.

Much of what paul taches is not as simple as it appears. That's why so
many misunderstand him

Post by Up from the Abyss
If you hear it, who cares, tough titties, don't matter squat.
Jam 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers
only, deluding your own selves. 23 For if any one is a
hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like unto a man
beholding his natural face in a mirror: 24 for he beholdeth
himself, and goeth away, and straightway forgetteth what
manner of man he was. 25 But he that looketh into the
perfect law, the law of liberty, and so continueth, being not
a hearer that forgetteth but a doer that worketh, this man
shall be blessed in his doing.
James says one shall be blessed.

great. so does james teach a man is justified by keeping the law?

Post by Up from the Abyss

Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the law by this faith?
Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

you definitley do not understand that verse, but then
most people don't so you're in a big club.

LMAO!

I'll just say this: the same Paul who says we're dead to
the law and that we're not under the law is certainly not
saying in that verse that we should go keep the law

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid.
for I had not known coveting, except the law had said,
For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the
Spirit is life and peace: because the mind of the flesh
is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law
of God, neither indeed can it be: and they that are in
the flesh cannot please God.

Does paul say a man can keep the law well enough to be declared
righetous? Does paul say abraham was declared righteous because he kept
the ;aw?

Post by Up from the Abyss

which has nothing to do with things like keeping sabbath

Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath,
to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for
a perpetual covenant.

Just as circumcision is an everlasting covenant

Yes it is.
You sure seem to be hung up on penises. Do you
have some phallic fantasies? You seem to always be
interested in whether or not they are circumcised,
where they have been...

It's a critical issue because jews and messainics are hung up on english
terms like "perpetual" or "everlasting covenant" in the law, and try
sometimes to force that into the NEW covenant

Post by Up from the Abyss
Just saying...
Don't speak against one another, brothers. He who
speaks against a brother and judges his brother, speaks
against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the
law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Please name the "brothers" you refer to

They do not includes MC who isn't even saved amd who by his own
admission has a different God than I do.

Ditto sam

Post by Up from the Abyss

It is a sign between me and the
children of Israel *for ever*: for in six days the LORD
made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested,
and was refreshed.
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will
make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall
your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to
pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one
sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before
me, saith the LORD.

Did you notice that it is spoken of in reference to the
new heavens and the new earth?

Yes. And you would disagree w/my take so I will not give it.

I'll just point out that the NEW testament denies there will be animal
sacrfice and a levitical priesthood and temple in the reign of Christ

BTW Jer 3:16 makes this prophecy impossible because the ark of the
covenenat will never be restored to the earth for people to visit it,
need it or even remember it

the whole system will be MOOT

Jews and Messianics do not like to deal with that fact, and simply
ignore that verse in Jeremiah because a levitical system requires that
ark

Post by Up from the Abyss
BTW: I was giving Maccabees a perusal, you oughta
give it a read sometime.

I know it. so?

Post by Up from the Abyss

or avoiding pork. But even so, it's not the same as the
gentile being judged by that: the Christian does not have
the sin imputed to him, whereas the Gentile unbeliever does

LMAO!

You can laugh to the great white throne

LMAO! If I don't believe in God, do you really think
that I'd believe in that? Or even be afraid of it?

Post by Up from the Abyss

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received
the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but
only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire
that will consume the enemies of God.

so? You think I beleieve i onece saved always saved?

Do you not recognize the reference? Holy chit Batman!

I use that verse myself to refute that doctrine. Your apparent point is
to try to deny my point that the sin is not imputed,

Wrong. It ISN'T imputed as Paul points out. But persistent living in
mortal sin (to use a catholic term) destroys saving faith, as the
scripture implies overall, and causes one to abandon faith in favor of
unrighteousness and results in loss of salvation, by ultimatly returning
one to a state of a transgressor where he once again has sin impuited to
him because he no longer is in covenant with Christ thru a faith he has
abandoned

Post by Up from the Abyss
Too much penis focus, not enough Bible focus if you
truly don't recognize the reference.
That's two of you that didn't recognize it LMAO.

Mordecai is proof THAT'S false doctrine

Now you have to to drag Mordecai into this?

it applies as proof that once saved always saved is false docrtine

Post by Up from the Abyss
I ain't addressing Mordecai, I am addressing you,
and that which you wrote.
Is that so hard for you to comprehend?

Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy
on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more
severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who
has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as
an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them,
and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
And, since you have shown some knowledge of the law,
by what standard shall you be judged by?

I answered that question

No, not really.

I did.

Post by Up from the Abyss

Since by your own admission you are an atheist (or so you
posted a while back to Rod), I'm certainly not going to get
into the depths of Pauline theology with you

Yes, I am an atheist. But it's good that you aren't going
to get into Pauline theology with me anyway, cause I don't
think you really know it.

I know it in depth. It's you who clearly don't.

If you'd like it explained to you on romans 2 in an interactive manner
by professional apologists, I suggest you call Catholic Answers some
time, and ask them to explain the Law of Conscience taught in Romans 2.
They could do it in an manner I think you would find very enlightening.